When both Troy Dooly and Jim Gillhouse call me to be a guest on their program, I jump every single time. They ask great questions and lead fantastic conversations on their program.

During this episode, we talk about the troubling language in the final BurnLounge order. Feel free to listen and share your thoughts below. Already after this interview, I've been a part of some great conversations about the future of the space. It's a very healthy discussion.

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